johnnybravoboy
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 23, 2012 18:12:36 GMT
Sega have just announced in the past hour a trailer for Dreamcast classic Jet set Radio. This is the next Dreamcast game they are doing. Nintendo is also keen on revamping Dreamcast classics such as seaman. Now jet set radio!! Surely Shenmue is next, and with it Shenmue 3 right? Lets keep up the persuasion
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Post by ShenmueAddict on Feb 23, 2012 21:34:08 GMT
Sega as a playable fighting character would be amazing! i wonder if (since its capcom) it would be a 2d or 3d fighter?
Good news on Jet Set Radio, is that going to be DLC? I dont understand why they dont make Shenmue 1 & 2 in HD for DLC, and also release both games on 1 or maybe 2 discs (depending on how much room they take up) for the XB 360 and PS3 in a similar fashion to the recent Metal Gear Solid HD collection (3 games in 1)
It would not cost much to do and would help them claw some more revenue for the large money spent on their development and also to go towards future Shenmue III development, and win new fans at the same time!
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johnnybravoboy
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 23, 2012 21:45:47 GMT
It is a DLC. Hopefully all this "classic Dreamcast ip" will run slap bang into Shenmue once more. Let's hope.
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johnnybravoboy
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 23, 2012 21:51:20 GMT
Times like this I wana grab a gun and walk to Sega and force them to manoeuvre their arse to the shelve where Shenmue is after 10 years. Arggh!!!
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Post by Let's Get Sweaty! on Feb 23, 2012 21:51:43 GMT
It does seem like a no-brainer. But with Sega it seems there's too much baggage attached to the Shenmue franchise. Of course, as with anything I've said about them throughout this campaign, I'll be the first one doing crazy cartwheels if they prove me wrong.
Not just cartwheels, crazy ones.
Jet Set Radio was actually trending on Twitter today, and brought out a bucketload of Shenmue fans reacting to the news with similar wishes for Ryo's adventures to be next. So I've had to cast aside any attempt at creativity with my tweets and just "leaflet drop" the same generic Team Yu reply to all of them. I feel dirty.
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johnnybravoboy
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 23, 2012 22:06:25 GMT
^ You have failed me for the last time admiral
...lol, heh sorry > :b
Sega annoy me so much. They do the most blatantly unexpected stuff not requested. They just divert all the time. It's like you go to a restaurant and theirs a three course meal on offer and you think your gonna have the meal of your life but the guy paying for the group will suddenly order you porridge and ribena, obliterating your expectations of a grilled sir Leon steak. Just utterly mehhh moments. Someone shoot em please . :s
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Post by ShenmueAddict on Feb 23, 2012 22:10:59 GMT
^ You have failed me for the last time admiral ...lol, heh sorry > :b Sega annoy me so much. They do the most blatantly unexpected stuff not requested. They just divert all the time. It's like you go to a restaurant and theirs a three course meal on offer and you think your gonna have the meal of your life but the guy paying for the group will suddenly order you porridge and ribena, obliterating your expectations of a grilled sir Leon steak. Just utterly mehhh moments. Someone shoot em please . :s They have always been like that, releasing unneeded crap like the 32x. They suck at business and dont have a clue what their consumers and most importantly fans want which is why they had to exit the hardware business!!! They have had moments of glory but even more moments of epic fail! I'd consider S1 & 2 moments of glory but thats more Yu Suzuki's doing than Sega's
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Post by Let's Get Sweaty! on Feb 23, 2012 22:57:00 GMT
Shenmue and Shenmue II were artistic moments of glory, but there's a strong case for them being the opposite in terms of business. Sega did lose a LOT of money on those games and it's held partly responsible for their collapse as a hardware company. The games were awesome to play, but for Sega they came at a well documented cost.
That's why I really don't blame them for not making Shenmue III themselves. For the sake of his own career, no executive at Sega wants to be the guy who neglected to learn from the company's past and oversaw the failure of yet another Shenmue game. We all might believe it won't fail in this day and age, but every game is made with the intention and belief that it will be a financial success - even those that flop. Sega can afford to take that risk with other games, because if it doesn't work, at least they can say they took every measure to justify the investment. But in the back of their collective mind they know that if Shenmue III failed, heads would roll for even trying to resurrect the series in the first place. If it's a resounding hit, great! If not, then the idea itself was inexcusable. While being marched out of Sega HQ the guy who greenlit the sequel will be asked, "How could you be so stupid? So ignorant of what has gone before?" Nobody wants to be that guy.
That's what I mean by baggage. The only way to escape that legacy, that albatross around Ryo Hazuki's neck, is to let Yu Suzuki take the license elsewhere. Other developers and publishers won't be subjected to the same shame if sales don't live up to expectations. It's a chance worth taking for anyone but Sega, who daren't put themselves in the position of explaining why they let it happen a third time.
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johnnybravoboy
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 23, 2012 23:39:19 GMT
So true. man I want a S3
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Post by mue26 on Feb 24, 2012 1:27:52 GMT
Shenmue and Shenmue II were artistic moments of glory, but there's a strong case for them being the opposite in terms of business. Sega did lose a LOT of money on those games and it's held partly responsible for their collapse as a hardware company. The games were awesome to play, but for Sega they came at a well documented cost. That's why I really don't blame them for not making Shenmue III themselves. For the sake of his own career, no executive at Sega wants to be the guy who neglected to learn from the company's past and oversaw the failure of yet another Shenmue game. We all might believe it won't fail in this day and age, but every game is made with the intention and belief that it will be a financial success - even those that flop. Sega can afford to take that risk with other games, because if it doesn't work, at least they can say they took every measure to justify the investment. But in the back of their collective mind they know that if Shenmue III failed, heads would roll for even trying to resurrect the series in the first place. If it's a resounding hit, great! If not, then the idea itself was inexcusable. While being marched out of Sega HQ the guy who greenlit the sequel will be asked, "How could you be so stupid? So ignorant of what has gone before?" Nobody wants to be that guy. That's what I mean by baggage. The only way to escape that legacy, that albatross around Ryo Hazuki's neck, is to let Yu Suzuki take the license elsewhere. Other developers and publishers won't be subjected to the same shame if sales don't live up to expectations. It's a chance worth taking for anyone but Sega, who daren't put themselves in the position of explaining why they let it happen a third time. This is actually a very balanced post, and in all likelihood hits the nail on the head, in terms of why we have no Shenmue 3.
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 24, 2012 1:33:23 GMT
I have been doing some thinking once again on how we as fans can increase the positive pressure on Sega to make Shenmue 3/hand Shenmue 3 to Suzuki-san. Please feel free to correct me if I may be interfering in other people’s projects or whatever or offer positive criticism, but it is just a thought. Alright so I noticed on another thread on these forums that there is a Shenmue III Campaign petition with signatures up to 65,000+ and increasing. I know people really are fed up with petitions at the moment because they don’t seem to have worked in the past, but I have been considering the whole Team Yu/500K movement and all this Shenmue war on Twitter and would like to offer a suggested opinion on the petition itself. We all know from philosophy that we should make use of what we've got and I was thinking - correct me if anyone feels this is not advisable - that perhaps we could merge the petition with the joint campaign we share now. Let me explain, usually when a party want action to be taken in whatever scenario, some form of paper documentation is used to assist the effort. People always argue their case foreword and gab supporters, but a petition is just one of those formal things that we use to reinforce are opinion as concrete and loud to the recipients of our protests. This past week has been a very beneficial one for the Team Yu campaign. We have managed to merge into a marriage so to speak with 500k and now our numbers, popularity, retweeting plans and overall the frequency and intensity of our voices based on more people adopting one sole campaigning aim has significantly increased. With plans of mass tweeting events and retweeting events and promotional videos, our name and goal is becoming more and more realised. What I am wondering about the ‘Shenmue III Campaign Petition’ is that why not merge this so to speak with the whole Team Yu motto and goal. This is just something for the creator of the petition to consider, we have quite a large amount of signatures already and I can do my best to promote the petition and get as many people to sign it while other members of the Team Yu campaign carry on with other related tasks such as working with 500k, or tweeting, or contacting publicity etc etc. Really I am wondering if a partnership could be formed between this petition and Team Yu. Yes I know…another one! But it is for a good investment and purpose so I think why not? Basically, if this Shenmue 3 campaign petition (which by its name can be easily confused by Sega with older petitions that they haven’t taken much notice of) could adopt the same drive and support to the Team Yu campaign, and become the official petition of support for Team Yu/500k, then I promise I will do my best to promote this petition, get everyone I know to sign it, make promotional videos of the same standard that I did and ect. It’s just that a petition is a nice official document to always have in your inventory when doing a mass protest. If say this petition could be revamped or redesigned or at least some extra information is supplied to it which denotes a partnership of some sort with Team Yu/500K then it will be the Bible so to speak of Team Yu/500k to use as one of our weapons when we are protesting to SEGA. More people will be directed to it from the 500k/team yu followers of the public, more people will sign. We could make a very large number of signings in a relatively quick amount of time rather than it just sitting their sounding as vague as all the other petitions out there for Shenmue that Sega don’t find at all imposing to them. However, if we could make Team Yu/500K a fortress so to speak, a large weapon to pummel Sega with, with the aid of an official writing of everyone agreeing that the Shenmue License should be given to Sega, imagine how this would probably make Sega’s hairs stand on end. Then and only then would Sega realise that the world (a substantially large amount of fans) believe in the #GiveYuTheShenmueLicense idea and consider based on this official document that they should make a response of some sort. Think about it, I will be committed enough to make sure that the petition gets the 500k signatures that it deserves to look substantially important through promotion and also signing, signing, signing it myself till my fingers ache as well as others dedicated enough to see the numbers rise. Please think about this, all that would need to be done is some acknowledgement on the petition page that it is to promote the whole hand over license idea and work in conjunction with team yu/500k. Then, I as a person who is posting on these forums practically every free hour of the day I get will be the most trustworthy person to make sure the figures go high. Look at me now, I’m writing my thoughts at half past one in the morning. Committed person? I think so. I will stay up this late even if I have to make sure that petition gets the 500k signings that it needs whilst other campaigners in Team Yu/500k pursue other means of persuasion to Sega. I will still perform my duties in twittering and the like, I just think this would really make a big punch to Sega if it could be the first every Shenmue petition to reach 500k signings, it would promote Team Yu as “THE REAL DEAL” in the eyes of Sega and also force them to be aware that there aree dozens of fans wanting the game. THIS WOULD COMPLEMENT ALL THE TWITTERING THAT WE ARE DOING AND THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO THEM THERE AND THEN THAT THIS YEAR 2012, SHENMUE IS WANTED. It will really push them to consider, and it would start to look embarrassing if they ignored it. I promise I will give this petition so many signings, even if I cannot get sleep, just to get a huge number and shock Sega with the news. The tweets and the works of the other campaigners of Team Yu will add to their conscience and the whole #GiveYuTheShenmueLicense idea will be drummed into their heads. Might the administrator behind the petition consider my request, revamp the description/purpose (or merely add to it) the Shenmue Team Yu campaign, make a partnership, even including the logo if need be (see my avatar) and once that is up and running I will get to it and put as much heart into making the signing figure soar like I put all that elbow grease into my promotional video for Team Yu which is now on the Team Yu webpage. Again…if I am being an interfering old git then ignore me and notify me otherwise. Just a thought.
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Post by Let's Get Sweaty! on Feb 24, 2012 6:29:37 GMT
The crappy browser on my phone (Opera for BlackBerry - utterly ruined by its last update) has made it difficult to read the whole of your post John, but if I understand correctly from skimming over it, you're suggesting we use the signatures on a general "we want Shenmue 3" petition as proof of support for our campaign?
I don't think we can do that directly, as it would essentially be changing the question after so many people have answered. Those people have only gone on record to say that they want Shenmue 3 to be made, not that they specifically want Sega to let Yu Suzuki have the license. We'd be misrepresenting them to claim they are all in support of Team Yu.
We can, on the other hand, use it as a statistic within our argument - eg, "65,000 signatures on just one of several petitions demonstrate a demand for Shenmue 3, yet Sega still does nothing constructive with the franchise. Only Yu Suzuki appears to care about giving the fans what we are all clearly yearning for." This way we're not claiming that those signatures are in specific relation to the licensing issue.
It could also be useful to quote the number of members associated with Shenmue 500K, although the group's name instantly makes the total sound less impressive than it should. By always comparing their tally to the dream target of half a million, they inadvertently make an otherwise impressive number seem like a drop in the ocean.
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johnnybravoboy
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 24, 2012 11:11:37 GMT
Yeah that is absolutely fine. If we could use that petition to supplement what we are doing and say to Sega "look x amount of people want Shenmue 3 and agree your doing nothing constructive with the license at the moment" it may not be written to support team Yu specifically, but inadvertently it practically is anyway. So we could use that as one of our weapons to Sega. I could promote it and work on it's figures if guys want. That could be one of the possibilities. Just would be a lovely smack in the jaw for Sega being the first ever campaign to reach such high stats for Shenmue. They'll know team Yu means business and they would most likely feel embarrassed into making a consideration. OR I could set up a completely new one for Team Yu. But that may take a while and make use of what u e got I always say :b
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Post by Let's Get Sweaty! on Feb 24, 2012 11:17:11 GMT
Shenmue has been trending on Twitter. On the petition front, Shenmue500K already has one for giving Yu the Shenmue license - I've retweeted the link a few times and also put it on the Facebook page, so have a look for that and get sharing. Actually it would be a good idea to add a link to that petition on the Team Yu page here on Shenmue UK.
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johnnybravoboy
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 24, 2012 11:43:33 GMT
Oh ok il use that one then. Il try n find it.
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Post by Let's Get Sweaty! on Feb 24, 2012 11:43:46 GMT
I can only copy the mobile link at the moment, but try and get this retweeted: mobile.twitter.com/teamyu/status/173008267264532480
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johnnybravoboy
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 24, 2012 12:50:21 GMT
I have been promoting the page this past hour on every facebook page I can find that says Shenmue 3 whilst using a translator to post on spanish, french and japanese pages.
I shall also retweet.
Lets make each other have their own priorities. I could concentrate on publicising this and the other petition to well, everywhere. Everyone can obviously help, but I could concentrate on the promoting of the petition if you like as well as other things like retwittering and stuff. I think if we assign everyone in our team their own task as well as helping others with their own tasks e.g. twittering, going on forums, it would be cool and guarantee that every aspect of our campaigns our being addressed.
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johnnybravoboy
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 24, 2012 13:07:23 GMT
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Post by Let's Get Sweaty! on Feb 24, 2012 13:26:31 GMT
I'll have to check out the video later, but I agree about each of us specialising in different areas. I've got my hands full with what I've been doing so far, so someone else focusing on forums, etc, is the best idea.
Where's the peed off response from Sega that you mentioned on Facebook? Have you got a direct link? On Twitter this can be found by clicking the timestamp below the tweet.
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 24, 2012 13:30:55 GMT
Ahhh I shall try n find it but it was basically addressed to 500k saying "u want an announcement, refer back to our first tweet about what licenses are." it was dis morning...I shall try n find it on dis spasmy phone of mine
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