Post by JoePesciAddict on Nov 29, 2004 2:51:43 GMT
RenSuzuki said:
Well I guess I'm glad Bush didn't get your vote, but that isn't very good, although I guess its understandable, since those lines were crazy (and one vote really won't make a difference)
Yeah, those lines were killer but that subject doesn;t matter anymore.
Once again, the extra oil is good for American business, nto necessairly the people, or even the economy. And Rebuilding Iraq is really good for big business, they can go into a country with nothing (no competition) and start building things that could make them tons of money. As well, the USA may give out contracts to help with the rebuilding.
No, no, no, no, no. You aren't paying attention. You are listening to that supposed documentary Farenheit 9/11. I agree that it would be good for big business but it didn't happen to turn out that way. The Iraqi people aren't going to allow Bush to take there oil. The only oil Bush can take is the oil he is trading for. So right now nothing is going on with the oil that hasn't already been.
I know, I was just replying to every part of your post
Alright, thats done with now.
hmm, funny, American television networks trying to convince me America is bad. At least half of the television I watch is American (mainly channels from Detroit). And if anythging, these "big business" stations would want to convince otherwise. The best example I can think of is after Saddam's statue fell, CNN America showed the statue falling over and over, CNN World showed the same, but it was split screen, and on the other half it showed Iraqi civillian casualties.
LOL! sorry, I didn't know you were getting American news up in Canada. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all know about the casualties but what war hasn't had any. I mean, think about it. So far, every war has been bad going through but in the end everything turned out the way it was supposed to. I know the WMDS shit didn't turn out right but freeing Iraq of an evil dictator did.
Well my situation is a little different from this famous Asian. I didn't grow up hearing bad about America, and I like America. But it has a lot of problems (not that Canada doesn't). Bush has just brought America a lot lower in my book. I have been to America, it is a nice place, lots to do, the people are generally very nice. But like I said, it has a lot of problems.
I know, every country has it's problems. But I know America has more than most because of how many other countries it can affect with one slip. We are all human, and we all make mistakes. Bush didn't even make a biggy. Wow, the WMD thing again! No way! That's old news. I bet you have heard that John Kerry was going to take the American troups out of Iraq, right? Well, in doing so he would of left even more casualties on hand. Iraq has barely any defenses and with America gone, who knows how many more suicide bombers could have erupted. I mean, Kerry would have given up many more casualties than what is happening now.
ya, but Bush has had a negative impact (softwood lumber, The War with Iraq, other decisions that bring the Canadian dollar higher (this seems good, but not when considering the USA is such a large trading partner and there's is so low).
See, the affect of the war again. I bet the Canadian leaders voted for it, am I wrong? But there are always decisions that bring the dollar higher to other countries that trade with us. You are still getting the things you need so it must not be affecting you that much. Also, it makes our dollar higher too. We have to work more for less during these times but you have to live through these situations. Make the best out of life and see everyone happy in the end.
You gave me someone IN HIS ADMINISTRATION. And pretty much all right winged governments are opposed to it (same with the Conservative Party in Canada (our Republicans). And you know, it's not even the issue of gay marriage specifically, its about human rights, it isn't bothering anyone, the meaning of marriage was lost long ago, its just a stupid thing to be against. If it don't concern you, who gives a shit?
It did concern Bush to the fullest extent because the bill was brought to his attention. I was saying, in that situation when Bush doesn't really care he turns to his administration and votes on whatever the hell they wnt to see happen. In this case, the gay marriages being banned. Also, I believe that you are being hyprocritcal in less of coyurse you are gay. It doesn't concern you either so why do you give a shit?
I don't ahve the quotes, he never actually said "Saddam did this", but he indirectly pointed out facts with Iraq, mixed Iraq and terrorism in speaches, etc. to make people believe they were involved. You know when he invaded Iraq, I somewhat supported it, I was half against it, half for it, and I'm not an idiot either, shows how easy he can manipulate people.
He didn't manipulate you or anyone. People believe what they want to believe. It is human nature to an extent. I can't agree with you on mixing Iraq and terrorism cause I never heard any of those speeches.
I've seen no proof of that and Dictators hate terrorists.
That isn't true. Saddam most likely was trying to trade with Al Quaeda. They are rich and have access to many differen't weapons which Saddam could have used.
No one's starting any wars anytime soon. There is no way anyone would start a war with Korrea. And yes I know Kerry voted for the war, it is dissapointing, and I didn't particularly like the guy to begin with. I did find it kind of ironic how he said "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time" or whatever when he voted for it.
Yeah, I guess Kerry didn't manipulate you if Bush did. Why even get involved with politics if you don't like either candidate.
Well personally that makes sense that Kerry would be for big business. It is always possible that he might not be greedy and be more democratic, but I agree he probably wouldn't of been. I didn't really like the guy, but look who he was against?
Again, this is a difference of opinions and I already know any world leader wants money. They don't want to make a "difference". The only person I would vote for if he had a chance would be Ralph Nader. He definetly cares about the people.
I think you contradicted yourself there. Maybe you can't see it, but Americans can be very arrogant. I think 9/11 took some of that away from them though.
If you were here you would see how united we were after 9/11. We weren't arrogant. We just kept to our personal lives instead of expressing to other Americans. I think you see us as arrogant because the union has been crumbling since then.
Ya the basis of communism is a decent one (works on paper, but is fundamentally flawed) but every communist government turns into a dictatorship. I don't think Russia had a good communism either. But Iraq was never considred a communist country like China and Russia, they were just a dictatorship?
No, Iraqi had a regime which wasn't neccisarily a Dictaorship. Baghdad was the Dictatorship but the regime of Iraq was communism. I think you got baghdad and the whole country kind of confused.
Well not so much freeing, but countries that could really have used the money the USA spent on the war for human aid. I would much prefer living under Saddam in Iraq than living in a lot of African places, they could of used the help much more (but there's no oil in Africa). Saddam never would have tried to wipe out America, it would have been suicide. That name means nothing, it just doesn't look very good to call a war "Operation Bomb the Fuck out of IRaq" He justified the war but WMD's not Iraqi freedom. The Iraqi freedom is more so something war supporters are saying now as a reason for invading since there were no WMD's
LOL! I love that! "Operation Bomb the Fuck out of Iraq". But back to subject, how would you be sure that Saddam wouldn't have bombed us if we waited. Listen, people are unpredictable, especially crazy Iraqi dictator's. I know it would have been insane but you are telling me Saddam wasn't insane. Here, let me recall something it says in a book about pyscopaths. It says that a pyscopath feels the same way about suicide, murder, rape, torture, etc. as about eating a meal or taking a shower. Tell me again what Saddam is like. After you keep trying to prove me wrong I am going to think you are a saddam enthusiast.
No it isn't, Bush is that bad, but American people just need some common sense
Yeah, we have common sense. it may shock you, but most people do
