johnnybravoboy
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 16, 2012 10:40:39 GMT
Ok just one more question. Team Yu looks good and thanks for the links btw ^^. however...is there like a target to be made with team Yu and a way we can show Suzuki the campaign results when done to a reasonable high degree of support?
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Post by Let's Get Sweaty! on Feb 16, 2012 18:19:52 GMT
There isn't a set target - do you think there should be? I'm really just playing it by ear on that front, kind of expecting to "feel" when there's enough galvanised support to make an impressive statement. But very open to suggestions. If you haven't seen the Team Yu thread in the site news section, I've described in there how the mid-term plan is to collect a load of other people's tweets in support of our aim and retweet them en masse to Sega, in the hope that it makes more impact than the preceding drip feed. Actually getting the hashtag to trend is a more lofty goal. Presenting results to Suzuki-san is less of a priority, as it seems to be Sega that needs the most convincing, but we'll see how things go. If the Facebook and Twitter pages gain enough fans/followers then the numbers may be reassuring to him, but I'd rather have 200 vocal supporters of Team Yu than 2000 silent members.
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 16, 2012 22:16:23 GMT
Hey man, yeah dont worry it sounds good so far, I think your doing it just right so far. Obviously we need to address Sega first before we do so Yu Suzuki if they still have the IP for Shenmue. I shall see what I can do. I definitely want to promote your idea and I will see what audiences I can put this across to. If I have any more ideas which will be complementary in positive aspects to your campaign I shall add this to my voicing tweets. Really it is a case of raising a very persistent awareness to Sega that Shenmue 3 must be handed over to Yu Suzuki, then and only then once Team Yu is a success we can pursue if possible onto funding issues. But I will do my best at brainstorming how I and others could aid in your campaign to make sure when you deliver the punch its at its strongest to convince Sega.
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johnnybravoboy
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 16, 2012 22:32:30 GMT
ummm...btw. where is your page on facebook and twitter i cant find them? did you stop them?
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Post by Let's Get Sweaty! on Feb 16, 2012 23:00:22 GMT
I've fixed the status links I posted earlier, they weren't quite right. But here are the main links: Facebook: www.facebook.com/TeamYuTwitter: www.twitter.com/TeamYuYour assistance would be much appreciated in publicising the campaign to other Shenmue fans and making the appropriate noises to Sega.
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johnnybravoboy
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 16, 2012 23:36:06 GMT
Ah ok i found it!! let the emo statuses begin
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 17, 2012 16:23:22 GMT
I don’t know whether it is because as a pre-dated birthday present I got a nice second hand Dreamcast system with 10 games, memory cards and a controller for this past college holiday week, but I have been going nuts about Shenmue when I am not preparing for exams or writing my lab reports. Does anyone know exactly (and I mean really) what is happening with Shenmue Online and Shenmue Gai? I say this because yes I do know that Shenmue Gai was removed from mobile phones in Japan, but in the words of Yu Suzuki, he expected this to happen and will instead look into the future of Shenmue Gai with smartphone and introduction to Europe. I saw this on one of Shenmue Master’s videos. So the closing down of Shenmue Gai was something expected by Yu Suzuki, yet he says he will continue with the product to smartphones and European markets. If you go on his YS NET website, you can see that there are updates for Shenmue Gai still happening regularly and his site is fashioned on Shenmue online and Shenmue Gai (the “company he will use to make things he really loves” in Suzuki’s own words), one post was even during this week saying how some member of the team received accreditation for his work on the project. If I am right in saying unless people correct me otherwise, the Shenmue Gai isn’t really ‘dead’ therefore, it was just shut down from mobiles but is hoped to be put on smart-phones in the words of Suzuki in the near future. Any more information about this would help. Now Shenmue Online I don’t know anything about – just what is already known about it, it was a project that was near completion but suddenly ran off the face of the earth and no one knows what happened to it. It was never officially ‘cancelled’ by Sega, it was more ‘postponed’ and to this day Sega and Yu kind of hold it in a limbo state of neither dead nor alive. However, does anyone know whether or not there is any news or statements made by Suzuki that the project is still being ‘worked on’ as it has never been officially cancelled by Sega but only in the vocab of gaming articles? I am saying all of this because if I am right in suspecting, Yu Suzuki is merely doing what I would do if I were a game developer – finishing off Shenmue Gai and Shenmue Online first before moving onto Shenmue 3. You think about it, a lot of investment was put into these two add-on’s to the series. Yu Suzuki is merely making sure that each project is ‘finished’ and put out to the public with a reasonable rate of success. He won’t waste the time and money he has put into that. I doubt after Psi Phi he would particularly like to scrap two more projects after just for the sake of investing yet again to make Shenmue 3 which is disappointing and tiresome. He therefore may be concentrating on consolidating what was put into Shenmue Online and Shenmue Gai (if any of you know of anything which says development is or might continue for these two projects separately, this will make me feel what I am saying is right.) Only after he gets these two out the way, may he commit to making a fresh project and I doubt yet another social networking spin off to the franchise, that would be three and kinda weird to say the least. Rather, I believe Yu would then turn to Shenmue 3 once both near completed projects are published and out. Any comments of research or facts I am unaware about is welcome. Then you have all these campaigns that we are doing to save Shenmue 3. We have the two Facebook pages Shenmue 500K and the second Shenmue 500k page. We have the twitter 500K page, Team Yu, Shenmue 3 campaign and a few petitions recently made with about 100-200 signatures as well as older petitions containing 6,000+ signings. What I am getting at here is that a lot of things I see in campaigns of old is that they put a set date of the completion of the project where they would say for the Shenmue 500k campaign by December this year they will all write something to sega saying look how many participants we have, make Shenmue! But now having understood what a campaign means I agree otherwise. “Rome was not built in a day” – we cannot wait around for masses of people to tag along with us and then finally when the theoretical ‘perfect figure’ is achieved (which may take years btw) we make a voicing to Sega and Suzuki-san, because for all we know that may never happen and all along Sega and Yu will go about their day and while all these pages like 500k are known to us, they will be like “huh? What’s that?” because we haven’t made ourselves too public yet but are busy awaiting for the ‘perfect time’ that will probably never happen as they watch their fan members slowly go up like a snail. I propose this: Take Shenmue 500k for instance as a potential partner to all the other campaigns that we are doing. It does not necessarily need ONE SINGLE page where it expects to get 500k followers that would be close to impossible. Instead, what about this idea: WE join campaigns to work together and therefore get more figures? Consider this: Shenmue 500k needs 500,000 ‘followers’ of a kind. This could include their main facebook page which has 11,512 members. Now including the “SHENMUE 500K ALL FANS NEEDED!” page, the amount of fans there is 5,082. That would equal 16,594 if combined…months of painstaking waiting gone just like that! Then what other campaigns could do is form a ‘partnership’ to this project. That way not only do you include the separate campaign group as ‘1 member’ but rather you include that and ALL of the members that they already have to one project and vice versa, the Shenmue 500k member figure could also benefit the other project. Shenmue 500k = 16,594 supporters Shenmue 500k twitter = 1,065 followers Team Yu facebook: 92 “likes” Team Yu Twitter: 78 followers Shenmue 3 Petition Online = 65781 supporters Shenmue 500k Hand over the rights to Yu Suzuki ipetitions: 143 supporters Shenmue 3 Campaign Facebook = 70 likes The Shenmue Myspace campaign: 2335 supporters COMBINING ALL of these figures = 86,158 supporters to Shenmue 3 and sega handing over the rights. If each campaign party could make a statement that it joins partnership with the other pages, this amount of supporters would be available for all pages. ¼ of 500,000 supporters is 125000. Therefore, what we could do in effect is make ourselves heard NOW. We shouldn’t wait around for the perfect 500,000 to be achieved. We should make our voices heard now, foreward every signing, comment, tweet, post, forum quote and everything to SEGA and assault their inbox daily, so much so that they cannot write an equal amount to Shenmue fans in their own posts. We should bombarder their page with posts, messages, pleas and past documentations obtained from these campaigns. Our reason for doing this will be that we are celebrating our campaigns nearing a quarter of the expected amount we initially proposed. I go onto Sega’s twitter page and I have to scan through 20 pages before I see the odd, please make Shenmue comment, everyone is holding their weapons back so to speak. We should all harass Sega now and make our demands heard. Only then continuously, again and again and again will Sega learn what 500k is or what the other campaigns are. We should all use our resources along the way. Even if told that Shenmue is a cancelled project, we fill up their pages, we cram their inbox with as many comments as we collectively can. Make it a thing like every morning before you check your emails you write something to sega on their twitter wall. Make a few email templates and periodically send them again and again and again to their websites. Send petition signitures. Send all the weapons we have now and keep doing so every single day until the 500k targets are reached and when they are we keep on and on and on, we post creative fan made videos to their pages, we send them links, send them ridiculously large amounts of fan mail and cram their pages so much they start blocking people, and then when they do that we do it some more!! Until sega will be so fed up with us they will just listen to what we want and give us what we want rather than facing our mail everyday. I’m off to write some stuff on their wall now, anyone fill free join me please. This should speed things up a bit. Let me know what you think and apologies for the long posts.
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Post by mue26 on Feb 17, 2012 20:42:00 GMT
Bloody hell, chap. That's a lot of text. My 2 cents: Focus on your exams for now, worry about Shenmue later. Trust me, don't get too distracted.
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Post by Let's Get Sweaty! on Feb 17, 2012 21:11:39 GMT
I hear what you're saying, and agree with you about vocal activity being more important than waiting for a specific number of members. It's easy for someone to click "Like" or "Follow" and then forget about it. People do it all the time for the most inane things. But if they actually post statuses and tweets in support of the campaign then it shows that it's something they really care about.
I also think it's good for different campaigns to present a united front. I must admit when I launched Team Yu I was concerned that the organisers of Shenmue500K might get a little territorial, as that's how things tend to go on the Internet. I wasn't sure they'd recognise the difference in my approach, that it wasn't just a selfish "me too" exercise. But right from the beginning they have been very supportive and even seem to have tailored their campaign more towards the issue of Sega letting Suzuki have the license. The #GiveYuTheShenmueLicense hashtag was first used by them, and I've adopted it as it suits Team Yu's message. They also started a petition calling for the same thing. So we appear to be very much on the same wavelength right now, although I think they'll continue spreading their attention across all things Shenmue (including continuing to ask Sega to make Shenmue 3 themselves, and to release HD updates of the first two games) while Team Yu focuses purely on the licensing issue.
When it comes to combining the membership totals, you have to bear in mind that there'll be a certain amount of overlap. Even within Team Yu, several of those Facebook fans are also Twitter followers, and several of those Twitter followers are followers of Shenmue500K. It's difficult to know what assumptions Sega would make about that - they might imply that all the smaller campaigns are comprised of supporters who are already part of the largest, making that one the only number that counts.
That's why having multiple campaigns can be a bit of a hindrence, as it dilutes the audience, which might be hypocritical of me to say but I feel strongly that the licensing issue should be concentrated on. If the day were to come that Shenmue500K committed all their energy to the same goal as Team Yu, then I'd be happy to just join their campaign rather than running a separate one with the same purpose.
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 17, 2012 21:38:00 GMT
Yeah man that sounds fine. Obviously all of us are entitled to our own aims. It doesnt really matter actually this partenership I was on about because we are all for the same thing but addressing different aspects of it respectively. I was saying it because I notice a lot of members on say 500k are silent participants and wonder if they are waiting for the end deadline or what. However, the main thing is here is that we all speak, speak, speak to Sega and dont put off our demands untill later when there is a perfect time. So far on twitter I noticed on Sega's page its just you, me, 500k and some other two guys that are asking for Shenmue 3 on a regular basis. If we could swallow up Twitter, Facebook, Sega's emails with our pleas and demands, that will show true commitment to the franchise and Sega may just need to sit down and plan a development date because they cant take the fans demanding the title. Sega today was already p*ssed off with 500k making a sarcastic reply and rather than cowering, we do so more. That is what I think is the most important thing we all do as fans. And hey mue26 looool, I know man this game addictive. dont worry im ok. thanks though. Once this holiday over I'll reduce my posts lol. Then I'll be super busy with coursework again. I just have little to do this holiday. I live in the gym, on my Dreamcast harddrive and doing some speedy revision. But I got my grades so its ok. But yeah, come next week, I'll do as you say
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Post by Let's Get Sweaty! on Feb 17, 2012 21:57:53 GMT
Sega today was already p*ssed off with 500k making a sarcastic reply and rather than cowering, we do so more. For those who missed it: twitter.com/#!/SEGA/status/170601668168253440 Shenmue500K's tweet to Sega: "Please can we all have some positive news on the #Shenmue series this year?" Sega's response: "You do realize that anyone on our community team can't announce products or see into the future. Right?"
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 17, 2012 22:08:36 GMT
Yeah theyre getting p*ssed. If they can't deal with it they should supply us with contacts we should protest to. If they don't want to deal with us, they should give us access to the higher men
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Post by Let's Get Sweaty! on Feb 17, 2012 22:20:08 GMT
A little exchange following on from the above:
Team Yu: Another classy reply, Sega.
Sega: no disrespect, but we aren't in a position to announce any products. You tweet at us every day demanding this.
Fan desires have been acknowledged, should any new info pop up on your fav game (or someone elses), it'll be on SEGA.com
Team Yu: What kind of tweets are allowed? If fans can't express their wishes to you, then a) Who should it be? and b) Why are you on Twitter?
Sega: oh, everything is allowed, just tempering your expectations
I'm informing you on what we can / cannot say because it sounds like you think we do something else :).
Team Yu: Everyone understands it's not your place to announce games on request. We just hope it is your place to pass feedback up the chain.
Sega: I think it's pretty established among fans and media that folks are interested in the series. No need to tweet 24/7 the same stuff
create sites, celebrate the game and series, get people involved - all good things. Demanding / spamming? Not so much :).
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Post by mue26 on Feb 17, 2012 23:50:40 GMT
That just makes me want to spam them...
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Post by JoePesciAddict on Feb 18, 2012 2:36:39 GMT
SEGA did make an interesting point but it really says nothing. Honestly, they need to make some sort of action regarding Shenmue. Either cancel it or go ahead with some sort of production. I am sure both parties are sick of the limbo.
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 18, 2012 3:30:23 GMT
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Post by Let's Get Sweaty! on Feb 18, 2012 11:16:57 GMT
Excellent video, johnnybravoboy. Just one little change I'd recommend: change the hashtag to show the American spelling of license. If you let me know when that's done I'll help promote the video.
The stuff with Sega on Twitter last night became quite amusing when more people got involved, including the editor of Play magazine. To be fair to the staff behind Sega's Twitter account, I can understand them getting frustrated with the constant mentions of Shenmue 3, but they're surely trained not to vent that frustration on official channels. They are the public interface between fans and the company, so it's their job to take in what people are saying without throwing their hands up and basically saying "we can't magic the game outta thin air, we're just the Twitter guys!"
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 18, 2012 12:46:46 GMT
Haha yeah that's fine il produce a subnote or something with the right spelling underneath the video. And loool please call me John loool. Anyway, who you reckon we could protest to if Sega on twitter ain't the ones to deal with it as they say. What...the company email? Or should we ask them who to contact? And if they dont redirect us to the correct ones we continue anyway until were fed up the chain? What you think letsgetsweaty
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Post by Let's Get Sweaty! on Feb 18, 2012 13:02:38 GMT
A user called OldMario asked them "where can i send requests for more HD games, would love space channel 5, sonic adventure 2 and JET SET RADIO" and they replied "feel free to tweet us or post on our forums - forums.sega.com. A few topics on our forums already." So unless they're just passing the buck it might be worth hitting the forums as well, although it may be harder to sustain the push on there without annoying other (non-Shenmue) fans. It's not the paid job of Super Monkey Ball fans to put up with people like us.
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Post by johnnybravoboy on Feb 18, 2012 14:17:39 GMT
Well spotted ma friend. We could try hitting the forums but we will need a team otherwise it will look like just two fanatic fans pushing for the series. Really, people should contribute to what we are doing by joining us. When we have a fair amount of people we can crash the forums over and over and over. That is the place then where Sega looks for requests so it is crucial that Shenmue 3 is on there and more than any other demand. I dont know how we are going to get a bunch of us committed fans to make right pests of ourselves. Perhaps the administrators of this forum might like to help. We should really aim for a group of supporters cos so far just you and me might look tedious. Perhaps Shenmue 500k could help, they seem to enjoy terroising Sega on twitter like us. I tell you what, I will contact Shenmue 500k and some other people who voiced the opinions on twitter that I spotted. If it helps, I may set up a facebook group on Facebook and stick everyone there where we can discuss our plans....i hope at some point to add even more rigour to our campaign that we add the Japanese fanbases so that Sega knows its worldwide.
So i will contact people on twitter I have noticed and inform them that their comments on twitter wont be as strong as hitting sega's email and forums. Perhaps if you could think of any more ideas of how we could pull this off that would be great.
Shenmue 3 may just come to be, and when it does I'd feel happy because I knew it was personally requested from me as well as other dedicated fans to the franchise.
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