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Post by Ryu_05 on Dec 17, 2003 3:33:06 GMT
What if Ryo gets to learn Lan di's "kill Iwao move"? that would rule
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Post by TheHellboundHeart on Dec 17, 2003 14:29:31 GMT
That would be so cool! You know, I think maybe that's how Ryo will kill Lan Di. It would be so ironic that he dies by his own move, the dark martial arts weapon that killed Ryo's father. But then, on a moralistic perspective, Ryo would have become his own Lan Di. The cycle would continue. I don't think that's what Shenmue is really about. It's about exploration and the human emotion, about the tragedy of human history that still preys on the future. Ryo will come to discover this and probably do a Return of the Jedi thing which would be even cooler. There's a BIG fight, martial art skill mayhem, but he won't kill Lan Di. Perhaps they will briefly side with one another against a greater foe for survival sake near the end of Shenmue 3, meaning a fully trained Ryo can fight back to back with Lan Di against hordes of masters! Then Lan Di will die, but not before he has imparted his feelings about his life like Rutger Hauer in Bladerunner with his 'Tears in the Rain' speech, revealing that Lan Di is in fact Ryo's brother! Or if not that, he just passes on his greatest move to Ryo! Cue the fight against Lan Di's 'boss' or something.
Ryo is like Batman in the end I feel. I can't see him as a killer. Committing an act of vengeance with cold blooded killing will not end the trauma. If nothing else, it will make Ryo no better than Lan Di, using uch methods to achieve his goal. For the reasons he has for finding Lan Di, I don't think it would make him a anti-hero. For me, Lan Di represents a catalyst for Ryo to discover the world, become a man and learn and understand his father's past.
Talking of his father's past, who did his father kill? (I haven't played Shenmue 2). I still feel if Ryo kills Lan Di, his act of revenge against Lan Di will make the original scene that sparked Ryo's journey, his father's brutal death, replay itself once again. Who's to say his father was in the worng, or that someone will then hunt him down for revenge!
I know in Japan there is such a thing as honour, but killing is looked down upon. Isn't this shown by one of the female masters in Shenmue 2?
Then Ryo sets off for home, and proposes to the flower shop girl (forget her name) under the tree in his garden when many of his precious memories were. He had broken the cycle, and not killed Lan Di but began to understand that he nearly became what he most despised, if it hadn't of been for all the people he ha met on his journey of self-discovery.
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Post by ShenmueAddict on Dec 17, 2003 22:24:51 GMT
Good post Hellbound, yeh if Ryo kills Lan-Di then he will be no better than lan-Di himself. and Iwao could well have killed someone, we dont know yet (it wasent revealed in Shenmue II which i thought it would have been) I think Ryo Will confront Lan-Di, maybe almost kill Lan-Di but his consence will stop him.
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Post by JoePesciAddict on Dec 21, 2003 16:54:06 GMT
I think there might be a chance the Ryo will kill Lan Di. But the way he does it will be by accident like knocking him off a building when you do the elbow assault or something. Batman killed the joker and he is still a hero
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Post by Gorek on Jan 9, 2004 16:29:15 GMT
I agree with pesci
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Post by ShenmueAddict on Jan 10, 2004 2:06:07 GMT
yeh Pesci has a point
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Post by TheHellboundHeart on Jan 31, 2004 12:07:13 GMT
Good point Pesci, but that's if you're standing by the Tim Burton mythos of Batman in the 1989 film? Killing when needs be doesn't appear to affect him. Granted the first time when Jack falls into the chemical pit it's an accident, but the last scene with the Joker isn't.
The truth comes from the comics where he was created...
Batman would NEVER kill, not even in self-defence. It is against the very makeup of the man. To do so, he feels, would make him no better than the criminal he is facing. Granted, he uses fear to aid his quest, but that's all.
(on a side note, I remember this old law case called Dawson. A robbery took place at a garage and the bloke at the cashier died of a heart attack. Yet the robbers weren't to blame for murder, as they could not have foreseen that he had a weak heart and it was going to happen. LOL, Batman muct be a damn serial killer with all the frights he's likely to give people)
Anyway, as for Ryo, I don't believe he can possess the killer touch and instinct that Lan Di has. I don't believe Lan Di had the support from genuine friends (Joy, Nozomi, Ren) or loving family background that Ryo has had. Also, the message in Shenmue 2 is pretty much one of 'don't follow that path', continuiing the cyle of death etc.
Or let's just hope Lan Di doesn't have a son....
Come to think of it, this story is kind of Romeo and Juliet, a tragedy. Both Ryo and Lan Di could die if they don't break away from the cycle of vengeance. i doubt Ryo will, but still.......food for thought!
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Post by ShenmueAddict on Feb 18, 2004 8:43:18 GMT
Yeh Tao Lishao is so god dam annoying in all the cutscenes but since she's fit that makes up for it.
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Post by JoePesciAddict on Feb 20, 2004 2:10:02 GMT
But, what I am trying to refer to is that Ryo might elbow assault or even use one of lan dis moves to accidently knock him off of a building (i.e. twoface from batman). And then flashback to what Lishao Tao was saying and grab onto Lan Di's am to pull him up before he goes tumbling to his death. Also, most likely Lan Di would try and pull him off too so then you would let go and he would be dead. I would naturally think something of that nature would happen or what would your idea on the ending be
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Post by RavinRoadie on Apr 1, 2004 15:52:53 GMT
i dont think that ryo will kill lan di, i think he will die by some other causes, picture the scene: Ryo and lan di go face to face in battle, lan di is clearly very skilled, yet he isn't aware of the power that ryo posseses since he last saw him. He underestimates him, and ryo beats him in the fight. Lan Di knows that he is beaten, and realises that he took the wrong path of revenge, ryo destroys the mirrors, and lan di apologises (or something!!!) BUT i think there will be a big twist! fuku-san has been searching for ryo since he left as he wanted to help him, and suddenly bursts in and before anyone can do anything, he kills lan di in revenge for killing his master. that would be cool!
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Post by ShenmueAddict on Apr 8, 2004 20:31:21 GMT
i dont think that ryo will kill lan di, i think he will die by some other causes, picture the scene: Ryo and lan di go face to face in battle, lan di is clearly very skilled, yet he isn't aware of the power that ryo posseses since he last saw him. He underestimates him, and ryo beats him in the fight. Lan Di knows that he is beaten, and realises that he took the wrong path of revenge, ryo destroys the mirrors, and lan di apologises (or something!!!) BUT i think there will be a big twist! fuku-san has been searching for ryo since he left as he wanted to help him, and suddenly bursts in and before anyone can do anything, he kills lan di in revenge for killing his master. that would be cool! good theory, but one problem is Fuku-San isent strong enough to beat Lan-DI.
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Post by braziliangc on Apr 10, 2004 9:10:01 GMT
Hm, alot of good points have been made.
I think that in Shenmue III Ryo will basically realise that there is no point in killing Lan Di(Lishao Tao finally gets thru to him)
But I think that would make a bad ending.
I think they will have a fight, it's pouring it down and Ryo kills him but then feels really bad and either kills himself or goes on the bad path.
lol Ryo tops himself :lol:
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Post by RavinRoadie on Apr 17, 2004 21:17:58 GMT
good theory, but one problem is Fuku-San isent strong enough to beat Lan-DI. yea but lan di has been weakened by the fight with ryo maybe not fuku-san then but maybe Guizhang would turn up. (this will never happen but i would laugh if ine-san killed lan di!!!!!!!!! lol)
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