RenSuzuki
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Post by RenSuzuki on Oct 10, 2004 23:49:09 GMT
lol, I won't be drafted. Also, how is it irrelevant of what Bush found. Weapons of Mass Destruction? Everyone knows that was a mistake that he didn't find it, but he found the blueprints and ideas for it. Also, he hasn't found Osama YET? It is a work in process just like rebuilding Iraq. You can't expect it to be a working democracy as soon as the war is over. When the war really isn't even over. I am sure if you look up communism in a Thesauraus you will find Dictator or Saddam right next to it. He made everyone work for the same wages, chicken sratch that could only buy a loaf of bread and some cold rice that had to last them 2 weeks at least. Women didn't have any rights an such. Next, Bush didn't say that he was just going for the weapons of mass destruction, he even announced that he was going to remove Saddam from power either way. Bush does care about the Americans, why would he have cut taxes when Kerry wants to increase them. God knows I don't want to pay more on my taxes. Back to the debates, I still didn't say that Bush "killed Kerry" in the first debate. Which Bush did do in the second. I watched The O'Reilly Factor, Larry king and some other informative news prgrams that actually think my same way on the subject. I don't know what news you are seeing up there, but it isn't very reliable. One more thing, if you can find those campaign promises then I would like to see your point but until then, I am sticking with Bush I said it was irrelevant to mentio0n Saddam taking things away from the people. I never said Saddam was a good guy. The blueprints found were found did not prove that Saddam was producing any weapons that could be considred "mass destruction". The war will probably never really be over (cus of the wya Bush went about it), and I doubt Iraq will have a WORKING democracy for decades. If you look up communist you'd probably find Stalin. Even hye wasn't a true communist. Communism isn't supposed to torture people, treat women like it does, in theory it is actually a pretty good type of government (however it has flaws when it actually takes place) Bush did say he'd remove Sadam, but his JUSTIFICATION For going to war, spending the money, killing civilians, etc. was the WMD's. And decreasing taxes doens't prove you care about anyone. Because tax cuts just mean budget cuts. At least Kerry will raise taxes for the rich. And nice using the O'Reily factor, and extrmely right winged show on the right winged network.
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Post by JoePesciAddict on Oct 11, 2004 1:38:28 GMT
You prove my point again when you say that Iraq qon't be a working democracy for decades. Everyone knows it is going to take time, but at least they still have a democracy. Actually, they were. As countless news programs have stated, "The weapons of 'Mass Destruction' blueprints have been found today along with Chemical Ali being caught a long with a few cohorts of the deck of 55." They were building weapons of mass destruction and Saddam was a terrorist. Why would he be harboring Iranian terror groups if he wasn't one himself? The war will end over time. There are a few of Saddam followers left over but they will die out probably within a year or so. Kerry is raising 2% taxes on the rich and 98% taxes on the poor. It doesn't make a big deal if he is just doing that much. Bush's whole point was to find weapons of mass destruction as I know already again. But, if you can recall that the war was called "Operation Iraqi Freedom" then you would realize that the biggest part of the war is to give Iraq a democracy. His JUSTIFICATION for going to war was the weapons of mass destruction but he wanted to free Iraq from the beginning as well
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Post by RavinRoadie on Oct 11, 2004 12:43:56 GMT
Why would you think Bush is a phony? What has he said that he hasn't done? well firstly, he cant eat a pretzel, without choking! Secondly, at one point i was proud to be an ally of the USA, i was glad that britain and the US were so close, (so close at one point that bush wanted to join the euro ) but now i am ashamed to be an ally of the US, bush has made iraq so unliveable that the few refugees that escape from iraq, instinctivly head for it ally, britain! If you didnt know Britain has a stupidly big case of illegal immigrants coming into this country, and we cant get rid of them because that means "violating their human rights" so they get housing and benefits without doing anything and guess who pays for this? Yes the taxpayers, i am sick and tired of my taxes increasing, to pay for these assholes who come into my country and sponge off the government. ^^ all this above is result of BUSH! I'm pro Kerry
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Post by RenSuzuki on Oct 11, 2004 17:24:02 GMT
You prove my point again when you say that Iraq qon't be a working democracy for decades. Everyone knows it is going to take time, but at least they still have a democracy. No they don't still have a democracy, I don't know what they'd call the government. And IF they ever do get a democracy it will take a long, long time. But once again, there are other countries that needed freeing much more than Iraq. I don't know about this, if they actually found WMD blueprints from Saddam than I think it would have been huge news. I haven't seen it on CNN.com, in the paper, etc. I could be wrong, but they are probably not Saddams, not "mass destruction" or something. Even if they were, blueprints are blueprints. I think we know they had a weapons program, almost all countries did. Of course Iraq would like to be prepared if they needed to be. But they did not have the resources to build WMD's. He is not a terrorist. Terrostis interfere with a dictatorship, they prove a threat. I do not believe Saddam purposely harbored terrrorists. Once again, while he may not have liked the States, Saddam would not risk supporting terrorists. Uh no. It's not even so much Saddam followers, as much as "States haters" who don't like being invaded, and I doubt this will end anytime soon. When John Kerry is president, middle-class taxes will go down. Ninety-eight percent of all Americans and 99 percent of American businesses will get a tax cut under the Kerry-Edwards plan. Well if he called it "Bomb the fuck out of Iraq" that wouldn't have gone over too well. Yes he did originally state "free the Iraqi people", but once again, there were countreis a lot worse of than Iraq that would have been easier to help. (although they didn't have oil and business oportunities). He justified doing what he did because Iraq was a threat to the people, that they had WMD's. The biggest part of the war was not to give Iraq a democracy, Americans would not have supported that. The only thing I don't like about Kerry is his position on abortions, stem cell reserach (well I'm still undecided on this), and all left winged governments position on crimes such as rape, murder, etc.
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Jeff
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Post by Jeff on Oct 12, 2004 0:28:01 GMT
Im going to vote for President Bush.
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RenSuzuki
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Post by RenSuzuki on Oct 12, 2004 1:39:12 GMT
Im going to vote for President Bush. Every Shenmue fan knows your voting for Bush Jeff. Maybe your buddy will bomb hte entire middle east for you.
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Post by Rome on Oct 13, 2004 17:35:41 GMT
If i could vote i would probly vote for John Kerry, just beacuse he seems more confident then Bush, and it seems like Bush hasnt done all that he could for the US in these four years, but i dont know that much about politics.
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Post by RenSuzuki on Oct 14, 2004 1:41:54 GMT
If i could vote i would probly vote for John Kerry, just beacuse he seems more confident then Bush, and it seems like Bush hasnt done all that he could for the US in these four years, but i dont know that much about politics. I wish he would of just been a lame duck presdient, instead of what he became.
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Jeff
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Post by Jeff on Oct 14, 2004 3:55:12 GMT
Bush clearly won the last debate, nobody sane can possibly argue this who saw what happened.
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Post by RavinRoadie on Oct 14, 2004 22:45:37 GMT
but after the last debate, which kerry clearly won! 52% of the people provisionally voted Kerry while Bush only got 32%
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Post by SoberRoadie on Oct 22, 2004 19:28:12 GMT
DOWN WITH BUSH
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Post by Gorek on Oct 24, 2004 9:05:08 GMT
down with bush grab the shaver we'll get rid of that bush one way or another. sorry anyway yeah i hate bush too
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